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Bitcoin
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Money Electric: The Bitcoin Mystery
Money Electric: The Bitcoin Mystery
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Exit strategy
Investing Strategies
Investing Strategies
Stay Cool
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Quotes 2 Live By
I Will Teach You to Be Rich
I Will Teach You to Be Rich
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Royal Frenchmen Hotel and Bar
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Butcher & Barrel
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The GaryVee Audio Experience
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New World Wine Co.
The Game with Alex Hormozi
The Game with Alex Hormozi
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Welcome friend 👋 This group exists to make money—lots of money—for our members. If you closely follow the advice of our CEO and Sircles Co-founder, John Worthington, you will make money if the market goes up or if the market goes down. You will learn tips, strategies, philosophies and how to read market psychology. You will have your choice of playing it safe with official recommendations “safe bets” or you can follow John into risky (unofficial recommendations) using short-term trades, options and complex hedging strategies. John’s safe bets have returned enormous gains and many pay high annual dividends for a low-risk and prosperous future. Timing is everything, however, and limit orders are your best friend. John will tell you entry and exit points that maximize your returns.

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Cody Barker

Same!

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Anthony Lonnegren

I wish I would have gotten in on MSTR on Friday afternoon. Stupid meetings.

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Danny Hinkle

And that’s assuming none of these notes convert into equity diluting investors

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John Worthington

And he conveniently leaves out the MSTR stock price calculation that would accompany that type of scenario. With a current market cap over $42BIL this would be about a 90% drop in share price taking his stock into the teens

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Why does he even mention a Bitcoin crash? I thought Bitcoin goes up 30% a year according to him. He’s clearly getting nervous

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Money Electric: The Bitcoin Mystery
Anthony Grace

Holy shit Peter Todd and Adam back are Satoshi Nakamoto! It defiantly appears they are the masterminds Peter Todd seems like the most untrustworthy human I’ve ever watched human he tries so hard to play the hiding in plain sight roll that’s when you get close his tell shows phenomenal watch great recommendation john

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Danny Hinkle

I watched the last half of this again today and I think it’s him too.

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Money Electric: The Bitcoin Mystery
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Money Electric: The Bitcoin Mystery
Money Electric: The Bitcoin Mystery
Documentary, Mystery
HBO Max
Documentary, Mystery
2024
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John Worthington

How about some entertainment mixed with education… If you want to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is—the mysterious and anonymous creator of Bitcoin—then watch this documentary. Spoiler.. it was a kid who wrote the code poorly (as young developers often do) who teamed up with an older guy who had a dream of a decentralized digital currency. People in the Bitcoin world have called the filmmaker wrong and “lazy” but he’s not wrong and he’s anything but lazy. He’s super smart. He’s not a sensationalist or an attention whore. He’s a good old fashioned investigative journalist who does the work. His detractors are simply too close to the elephant and can’t bear to think it’s such a mundane and boring explanation that’s been right in front of them this whole time. Toward the end you’ll hear the filmmaker “confront” (I don’t want to use that word because he’s not at all confrontational) the guy who he suspects wrote the code for Bitcoin. In the Shakespeare play, Hamlet, there’s a famous line: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” If you’re good at reading people, tell me if you pick up on the part where the kid gets super nervous and overly explains why he’s not Satoshi. His nervous, fake laugh, is such a tell. Plus, the evidence is very convincing. After that I’ll share another documentary, from this same filmmaker, where he unmasks who’s behind Qanon.. not quite the global elite society people think it is.

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John Worthington

Hey Nicholas, yes that’s correct. The market cap is the valuation of the company. All of the shares outstanding multiplied by the share price.

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Hello

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Nicholas Millette

When I look at the market cap of a stock, ie walmart is now over 1 trillion, is that what the company is worth?

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Melissa Adams

I’m up on CLSK. and SBRA thanks to your insights but Im only up in the double digits. Not hundreds or thousands. lol. Im a very small player. 🤣 Still loving then recommendations for where to invest in my Roth IRA.

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Anthony Lonnegren

Thank you for everything John. I am up as well this week. Thank you for that. You have taught me a lot. I really appreciate it.

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John Worthington

Finished the week up about $9k.. would have been more but gave back some gains today being “greedy” which I kind of expected. I made so much already on those MSTR puts and IBIT puts that it’s kind of the house’s money at this point. I took profits yesterday but held a good amount for next week. I expect I’ll be up on those trades next week but of course you never know. If another leverage unwind happens in the next few days it will be steep declines in the IBIT and MSTR. Those are my high risk “don’t try this at home” trades but the recommendations I’ve made for CAG, HUT, CLSK, SBRA, STLA, OWL all managed to go up again this week. I’ll continue to share my high risk trades but don’t recommend them for the faint of heart. Have a great weekend everyone!

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Ohh and the Nasdaq is now negative

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If Amazon closes down today it will be a 9-day losing streak. The worst losing streak since 2006!

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And what did I say about the Nasdaq? Just a few minutes ago I called the peak and it’s now about to turn negative. I also predict a bad final hour as investors will be nervous to hold through a 3-day weekend

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The AI craziness will only intensify.. and not all good. Like David Einhorn said the other day.. these mega cap companies are willing to lose $200B just to not let a competitor get ahead of them. Money is getting vaporized left and right. The easy money on mega caps is over.

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Nicholas Millette

I just did, years ago I was getting so many that I turned them off, they’re on now, thanks Danny.

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Anthony Lonnegren

And that video of tom and Brad. Looks way too real.

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Anthony Lonnegren

I have been watching cnbc all day. Do you think that the AI craziness will last long?

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Danny Hinkle

Nicholas if you don’t see them coming in, you may have to navigate to your app settings. Let me know if you need assistance

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John Worthington

Yeah Nicholas if you’re going to play around with very short term options you need to be on top of them all day long. Things move fast and hour-by-hour you can make a lot or lose a lot. We all discussed yesterday and decided to take profits since it was such a big quick win. Limit orders are your best friend.

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Nicholas Millette

Okay, they’re on 🤘

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Nicholas Millette

Oh boy, how do I turn on notifications for this chat? 😅

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Danny Hinkle

That’ll help! You can toggle them on and off for specific chats

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Nicholas Millette

Changing notifications now 🤘

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Nicholas Millette

I’ll hold tight then, thanks Anthony 😅

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Danny Hinkle

Nicholas, do you have notifications on for this chat?

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Anthony Lonnegren

Yea yesterday would have been better. Since today it has gone up. But you could make up some by Tuesday morning. Cause bitcoin might go down over the weekend. So early morning Tuesday you might do ok.

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Nicholas Millette

Thought I would play around with a PUT and although it lasts until the 18th, I should have perhaps cashed out yesterday John?

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John Worthington

Hey Blake, the Wall Street phrase goes back a long time. It’s a euphemism to remind you that you can’t get hurt by selling. But you can definitely get hurt by holding something too long. Warren Buffet is a classic buy-and-hold investor but he will absolutely sell out of a position if he changes his mind. He got out of IBM a while back and recently sold most or all of his Apple shares

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Blake Myers

So John I have heard you say you never go broke selling stock. So why is one of Warrens Buffets number one rule is you buy stock to own it not sell it. Im sure my dumbass is over simplifying it but curious on your take.

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John Worthington

But speaking of certainty.. Toast. I bought it in the low $24’s yesterday and it’s rebounding strong today. I was going to recommend it yesterday after their quarterly earnings. They got crushed in the after hours. If I wasn’t in meetings all afternoon I would have made that announcement. That was easy money at that level. I’d still recommend placing a limit buy order and try to get it around $25. They are the top dog point of sale software for a ton of bars and restaurants. They’re indispensable and AI will not be displacing that type of software anytime soon

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Danny Hinkle

We were in meetings yesterday and John mentioned he was buying TOST, so I grabbed some too. He was going to show his trade on it and recommend it publicly but we were pretty busy and the day got away from us. I was early on HIMS and bought it around $12-17 range and sold in the $60’s I’m pretty sure. I’ll try to find a screenshot. After I sold it I stopped watching it but I do believe in their business model. I need to learn more about this lawsuit and some of their recent struggles but I’d agree that it’s uncertain in either direction right now.

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John Worthington

I’ve only loosely followed HIMS but I know there’s a lot of uncertainty. When I’m uncertain.. I just stay away

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Cody Barker

@John. Probably, I’ll have to do some research on that. Question for you, do you think a put option is in play for HIMS with the lawsuit over GLP-1s by Novo and the federal government? I know it’s been pretty beat up already

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John Worthington

Hi all, long day today. I hope you’re all having a good night and hopefully Anthony’s boy is doing ok. Cody, that’s really cool and intriguing. Those wins are solid but is there a ratio or way to measure how many times the script would have made the right call vs the wrong call? As for today’s market (the NASDAQ) it did start rolling over at the close and ended down 450ish. So there wasn’t enough “dip” buyers for a rebound, but it also wasn’t a bloodbath either. I think tomorrow will trend down again and could have a hard selloff toward the end bc traders don’t want to be long this market over a 3 day weekend. All the fund managers today said the same thing—that the market is on shaky ground and everyone is expecting others to sell, so they’re selling first.. causing a negative feedback loop. There may be some buying opportunities, however. Toast (TOST) the POS software is getting hammered even though they had a great quarter. I picked up a small amount in after hours and will place some limit orders to buy under $20 if it ever goes that low

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Cody Barker

@John I backtested this against my watchlist, and the historical results show how it captures major market turns while filtering out the noise: 🏆 Wins: • PLTR (2024 Breakout): The script flagged a 'Super Call' during a summer pullback at a deep RSI discount. That signal caught the very start of a move that eventually led to a +340% gain for the year. • NVDA (June 2025 Top): When the crowd was chasing record highs, the script signaled a 'Super Put' as RSI hit 80 and the MACD flipped bearish. This anticipated a -35% slide, protecting capital at the absolute peak. 📈 Recent Performance Wins: • AMZN (Oct 2025): The script hit a 'Super Call' when RSI dipped to 29.9. By waiting for the MACD to confirm the 'engine' had restarted, it captured a +17% gain as the stock ran to $254. • IONQ (Jan 2025): After a massive -39% single-day flush, the script sat idle until the MACD confirmed buyers were back. It captured a +12% recovery swing in just two weeks. The best part is the 'Safety Switch.' It recently blocked a Put on NVDA despite an overbought RSI of 80 because the EMA trend was still too strong, saving a potential -15% loss. I’ll let you all know how this turns out as the next live signals hit!

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Ralph Ferguson

that one always works! why do you always have to use great blackmail pictures whenever ya gotta dispose of a body? man, this world!

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Anthony Lonnegren

And plus I’ll use it as blackmail when I need to hide a body. Hahaha. Hey remember that time you had medical bills I had to pay. Hahaha

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Anthony Lonnegren

I did. lol. It looked cool. Because it wasn’t me. Hahaha.

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Elizabeth Carter

Yeah no way to cast it. You got pics?

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Anthony Grace

Sounds like my dad I have photos lol

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Anthony Lonnegren

He just broke his clavicle. We were sent home. No surgery as of now. They say it will heal on its own. I have photos but don’t want to trip anyone out. lol

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He just broke his clavicle. We were sent home. No surgery as of now. They say it will heal on its own. I have photos but don’t want to trip anyone out. Lol

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Elizabeth Carter

Anthony. Hope your son is ok

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Anthony Grace

Hi Josh I don’t think you can trade options (puts and calls) on Coinbase I believe there newer to the stocks part of the business. I would look into e trade or one of the other brokerages that offer options trading

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Anthony Lonnegren

Thank you. Yea he’s in high spirits. He’s more mad that he can’t play golf for a while. lol.

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Josh Rogerson

It looks like I'm gonna have to switch to etrade because I don't see anything about PUTs or CALLs on Coinbase, just Buy and Sell. Maybe I'm missing something.

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